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		<title>Denny at 19:46, 12 June 2024</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is some similar work to this out there, or if anyone has some work like this, I’d be very curious for pointers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;If there is some similar work to this out there, or if anyone has some work like this, I’d be very curious for pointers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Denny: Created page with &quot;{{pubdate|{{subst:CURRENTDAY}}|{{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}}|{{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}}}  Here’s an experiment I would love to do if I had the resources. Just to start gaining some...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{pubdate|{{subst:CURRENTDAY}}|{{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}}|{{subst:CURRENTYEAR}}}}  Here’s an experiment I would love to do if I had the resources. Just to start gaining some...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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Here’s an experiment I would love to do if I had the resources. Just to start gaining some more understanding of how LLMs work.&lt;br /&gt;
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# Train an LLM Z on a lot of English text.&lt;br /&gt;
# Ensure that the LLM in its response uses correctly the past tense of “go”, “went”, in its responses.&lt;br /&gt;
# Ask the LLM directly what the past tense of “to go” is, and expect “went”.&lt;br /&gt;
# Remove all sentences / texts from the corpus that contain the word “went”. Add more text to the corpus to make it roughly the same size again.&lt;br /&gt;
# Train an LLM A on that corpus.&lt;br /&gt;
# Use the same prompts to see what the LLM uses instead of “went”.&lt;br /&gt;
# Ask the LLM directly what the past tense of “to go” is. I expect “goed”?&lt;br /&gt;
# How many example sentences / texts containing the text “went” does one need to add to the corpus of LLM A and retrain in order for the resulting LLM to get it right. Is one enough? Ten? A thousand?&lt;br /&gt;
# Add an explicit sentence ‘The past tense of “to go” is “went”’. to the corpus of LLM A and retrain instead of the implicit training data. Did the trained LLM now get it right? Does it use it right? Does it answer the explicit question correctly?&lt;br /&gt;
# Add an explicit sentence to the prompt of LLM A, instead of retraining it. Does it use the word right? Does it answer the explicit question correctly?&lt;br /&gt;
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If there is some similar work to this out there, or if anyone has some work like this, I’d be very curious for pointers.&lt;br /&gt;
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